Are You A Bad Catholic? (Drinking, Smoking, Swearing, & Drugs)

Are you a bad Catholic if you smoke, drink, swear, and use drugs?

On this episode of the Catholic Talk Show, we are joined by Michael Knowles from The Daily Wire to discuss those common vices that have stigmas attached to them.

21 comments on Are You A Bad Catholic? (Drinking, Smoking, Swearing, & Drugs)

  1. Pete H says:

    “Common vices that have stigmas attached to them”? If it’s a vice, it better have a stigma attached to it. What good are we doing if we celebrate each other’s vices?

    1. Terry says:

      To make lite of a bad role model is sad. WWJD? Go to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John if you want expert advice instead of these guys.

    2. V. says:

      I agree, Pete!!!!

  2. C. says:

    I agree with the two responses I see on the screen, those of Terry and Pete. Conflating drugs and cigarettes–and to some degree alcohol, seems very unwise. However, I also believe it is important to recognize this concern as an effect of a far larger worry. History suggests that reconfiguring the face of evil will likely prevent us from recognizing the far ranging nature of its form and function–further and further out on the limb sort of stuff–but what is the evil that we are searching to define? Seems to me like the Church (Catholic) has been trying to earn the respect of the popular culture to its detriment for a very, very long time and it is not working. I think the problem extends beyond the Church and can be traced further back than it–so it is not fair to dump on the Church–and here I am writing protectively. With increasing degrees of egocentricism, concerns like this one are fast becoming not only a problem of the Church, it is happening in education too. If institutions are like people, and in my opinion they are, then the Church risks becoming a follower–not the leader that it was originally conceived to be, and what it has the potential to be now. Cultures and institutions make choices but mistakes can be corrected if they are acknowledged. And various forms of drugging down are not going to get us there.

  3. D says:

    I’ve been warned and informed my a trusted exorcist priest who said one of the terrifying realities of the drugs in America (and possibly throughout the world) is that there are witches in South America are are paid top dollar to place hexes and curses on drugs, which are then shipped to other countries. It’s not always strictly the effect of the drugs on the person, but there may be unrecognized evil forces intertwined with the use of drugs.

  4. Brian Taylor says:

    I left a comment that seems to have disappeared or wasn’t authorized.
    To try once more, all I wanted to say was that if this is the face of Catilicism then the Church is in even worse trouble than everyone knows.

    I don’t know when uncontrolled guffawing became as Christian virtue but it seems a common occurrence in this channel.

    While taking about the tongue being the “home” or resting place of The Holy Spirit, these guys, (the priest included) make loud, unfunny “jokes” about everything, while at the same time expecting viewers to take what they say seriously.
    It is just another indication of capitulation to modernity and thinking that if we appear enough like the world that the Gospel of Christ will become more palatable to those who have thus far rejected it.
    A lack of seriousness is the last thing The Catholic Church needs in these times, especially from her priests but also from those who would take on any leadership role

    Proverbs 29:11
    A fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back.

  5. Tom Epperson says:

    Wow. It may be just me, but those first few reactions seem extreme. Did they watch the same episode I watched? Here is what I heard;
    1. Everybody in the world used to smoke cigarettes, including some people who are now canonized saints. That time is largely in the past, and St. John Paul the Great made it illegal to smoke anywhere in Vatican city. Those are facts. Having said that, if you do happen to be a tobacco user, it certainly does not prevent you from being a Catholic. So welcome home.
    2. Alcohol is also commonly used. Drinking booze does not prevent you from being a good Catholic. Everyone on the show admits to using it. The Bishop Sheen comment, and Fr Pagano’s comments made it very clear that alcohol use is only ok in moderation.
    3. Drug abuse. I was really nervous about this topic, because it is one I have some history with. There were some jokes, maybe in poor taste, eye of the beholder. Surely nobody is gullible enough to think they were actually advocating drug abuse. If they did, it should have been quickly cleared up. Once they really got into it, Fr. Pagano said very clearly using drugs is sinful, because it is bad for you, and “altars the trajectory of your decision making.” Excellent, concise description of the harmful, life-altering effects of drug abuse. If that were not clear, Ryan S quoted directly from the Catholic Catechism to support it. I don’t think drugs are a laughing matter, having been through that ringer when I was a youngster. But – even though I am hyper-sensitive to that subject, I think they handled it pretty well. I think all four people on the show admitted to having some level of experience with drug abuse. If that is true, putting some false veneer of puritan piety will not help anyone. What the Church needs, is honesty. That is what will bring home the lost and hurting. We live in a wounded society. I can remember seeing hippies when I was a young boy, and I tried to become one when I became a teen. Thankfully, I was about a decade late. I’m not proud of it, but those are the facts of my personal history. Fr. Pagano’s courageous and honest description of “the freedom” he felt after throwing out all the substances, and the cultural influences is a beacon of hope to anyone still caught in that life. You do all realize that there are millions still trapped, don’t you? They think they can never escape that lifestyle. Fr. Pagano laid out a very simple path, and testified that there is a way out. I can second that. That is a message worth sharing.
    4. Cussing, swearing, cursing; I grew up in a culture where cussing was an art form. The blasphemous use of the Lord’s name in vain was sickening, as Fr. Pagano clearly said. In spite of growing up in those influences, I have worked hard to build an actual vocabulary, so that I don’t need to fall back on those lazy expletives. But I’m not going to tell you that I never spit out one of those old words in a moment of pain, fatigue, or frustration.

    This was not my favorite episode, because these are four very difficult topics. Kudos to the Catholic Talk Show guys for being humble enough to admit their own sinfulness, and brokenness, and reaching out to any who might be doubting whether they are worthy to re-join the Church. That is what the episode was about.

    This is a universal Church. We are commissioned to go seek out sinners and draw them in. You don’t do that by getting up on a platform and claiming to be perfect. This isn’t a show created for perfect people. No wonder ya’ll didn’t like it.

    1. Paulinne says:

      Best summary. Thank you

    2. Awesome commentary, very well put. I whole heartedly agree with you.

    3. Laila says:

      Thank you for your insightful view of the episode. If we drew more people back to the church versus leaving them out, then we have successfully evangelized.

    4. Jessica says:

      As someone who has struggled with some of these vices, I liked their honest and open talk about it. They didn’t come from a holier than thou place and berate everyone who struggles or has struggled. They understand the difficulty and the place where people find themselves and how they ended up with those vices. Not saying that you can’t understand having never gone through, but they weren’t condemning anyone for having been there. And in this day and age, a frank, open and honest discussion no matter how uncomfortable to some people is what we need.

    5. Susan Cozza says:

      I agree with you. I heard the same thing you did.

  6. I love the show. I am a faithful watcher every Tuesday. I look forward to each new episode. There was no mention of the figurines on the table. What’s up with those?

  7. @CatholicNovels says:

    For those of you so anxious to attack this attempt to reach the lost and wounded, allow me to hand you a stone. There you go. Have at it.

  8. Judy K says:

    I really enjoyed this show, it touched on many different “vices” throughout the years. I find the bantering back and forth to be very entertaining.

    Keep up the good work

  9. Brian T. says:

    I think these shows are great. I love the humor and making light of things. If you can’t laugh, you’re gonna cry.

  10. Vita says:

    This was an interesting watch. Even though smoking doesn’t make you a “bad” Catholic (If such thing even exists) I felt like the guys went out of their way to validate their choice to use tobacco products and left it at that. It was sure interesting to know historical facts of the relationship between the tobacco andthe Church, what was missing is the very recent history of undeniable proof that tobacco kills. Just in the United States smoking kills half a million people a year. This is unimaginable amount of pain and suffering for them and their families. I found the joking and laughing about this a little disturbing. The facts are: tobacco harms a person’s health and has the potential to kill, it doesn’t offer any benefits and causes an addiction. WWJD? I wish the Church had a more clear guidance on the use of tobacco beyond “2288 Life and physical health are precious gifts entrusted to us by God. We must take reasonable care of them, taking into account the needs of others and the common good.”

  11. Jamie says:

    God granted us a sense of humor (I guess some of us got a bigger share than others), and I don’t think of jokes as the sin that some of you seem to. The jokes were well balanced with the Truth and honest, heartfelt personal stories. After all, if we aren’t sinners, why do we need Jesus? And what sinner wants to learn from someone who professes to be perfect all the time?

    This show is full of energy and packed with information and grace. I love it, don’t change! I’m encouraged thinking of how many new souls you can reach with your un-stuffy style. 🙂

  12. Richmond Laflèche says:

    ” A BREATH OF FRESH AIR!! ” Fun to listen, profound and I will be tuned in for every episode. THANK-YOU!!
    Richmond from Canada

  13. Tiffanee says:

    WOW. Seriously one of the best, most well balanced shows yet. I absolutely love your common sense REAL teachings and humor. Yes, we are all human. We live in the flesh. We are not perfect. I appreciate your honesty and I am so glad that I can really RELATE to the foul language issue! Yup, I’m a ‘Practicing’ Catholic-lifelong- and yup, I tend to have some pretty foul language. Absolutely HANDS DOWN the most ‘real’ Catholic broadcast out there today. So glad you guys are around to represent that no humans are perfect. No humans are ever going to be perfect. Anyone trying to ridicule your honesty is sorely missing out on how to apply the Word to life. BTW, 8:50-9:45 I laughed so hard at work that coworkers came running to see what was happening!

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