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Can Catholics Believe In Astrology & Horoscopes?

In this episode of The Catholic Talk Show, the guys discuss the practices of Astrology and Horoscopes and why they are incompatible with both Catholic theology and scientific understanding.

In this episode you will learn:

• Can Catholics believe in astrology?
• Is the Zodiac mentioned in the Bible?
• What did the Church fathers say about astrology?
• Does science refute astrology?
• 5 examples of why astrology is dumb
• and much more


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5 comments on Can Catholics Believe In Astrology & Horoscopes?

  1. Andrea says:

    Hi guys,
    Good episode and when I was really young I followed my daily horoscope and so didn’t a lot of my friends at that time. Did the stars model me or did I model the stars? LOL. It is narcissistic and dumb but it was fun. I would forget the horoscope during the course of the day because the whole practice was entertainment not enlightenment. Never once thought it was a dangerous thought pattern to exercise.

    Historically, I had learned that astrology was a science that later on became downgraded to a pseudo science. This wasn’t mentioned in your podcast. Interesting you mentioned King Saul or other early rulers, RS. Were the prophets they consulted to converse with God different from the prophets they consulted about the outcome of battles? You brought up the subject RS and I think that question should be your inquisition question. Then there is the casting of lots. All methods mentioned in the Bible.

    As far as people following patterns and rituals there are many who do feel they own the seat in their own particular pew in church. The longer they have been parishioners the more they feel they own the church. They are also the first to condemn newcomers who don’t fall in line. Are they listening at all to the readings and homily?!

    According to the song about the unicorn he kept playing when Noah was doing the two by two animal number and that is why there are no unicorns today.

    Yes RD, you are right it was mentioned at an earlier podcast about the craters on the moon named after Jesuits who discovered them. RS, I think you enjoyed calling people dumb a little bit too much in this podcast as in casting the obvious comparison to your logical intelligent self. Another form of narcissism like reading horoscopes.

    I did like your wrap up RS about how God created the Universe for us, every one of us. That is a biblical truth.

    I noticed that you are out of self-quarantine and together in the studio again. Stay safe and stay healthy all three of you. By the way, is RS a Leo? They think well of themselves, and are bossy. Fr. Rich could be a Libra and RD a water sign. Just having some fun.

  2. Cindy says:

    I’m an amateur astronomer. Just an fyi, while 12 constellations make up the zodiac, the zodiac does not make all constellations. As per your example, Cassiopeia is NOT in the zodiac. The elliptical is where the 12 zodiac constellations follow. That’s why the ancients made them into a religion of sorts. And astrology & astronomy are 2 different things. One is science & one is superstition.

    1. Andrea says:

      In ancient times Ptolemy was an astrologer and astronomer. Astrology wasn’t separated from the science of astronomy until 1679 according to Wikipedia.

  3. Mark Graff says:

    Great idea, Mark Gobio as a guest. Sorry if miss spelled.

  4. Mary says:

    List of Popes who were Astrologers
    See p. 26 of this book for a list of popes who were also astrologers: https://books.google.com/books?id=NFjocz2mF7gC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=alexander+iv+astrologer+pope&source=bl&ots=ECqCZtXc0E&sig=ACfU3U3TJ74mS4T0NCy0ntN_OxLJHQhISA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjzh-bylKDqAhXMmHIEHSvGCvYQ6AEwAHoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=alexander%20iv%20astrologer%20pope&f=false

    The list includes:
    Pope Sylvester
    Pope John XX
    PopeJohn XXI
    Pope Sixtus IV
    Pope Julius II
    Pope Alexander IV
    Pope Leo X – who became a “distinguished Patron of Astrologers”
    Pope Paul III
    Pope Clement VII
    Pope Calixtus

    Catholic Churches Built Secret Astronomical Features Into Churches to Help Save Souls
    https://longreads.com/2016/11/15/catholic-churches-built-secret-astronomical-features-into-churches-to-help-save-souls/

    The Sun in the Church: Cathedrals as Solar Observatories
    https://www.amazon.com/Sun-Church-Cathedrals-Solar-Observatories/dp/0674005368

    The Horoscope of St. Peter’s
    https://www.neh.gov/divisions/research/featured-project/the-horoscope-st-peter%E2%80%99s

    Easter and other Catholic Holy Days determined by using celestial objects
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computus
    The computus (Latin for ‘computation’) is a calculation that determines the calendar date of Easter.[1]:xviii Easter is traditionally celebrated on the first Sunday after the Paschal full moon, which is the first full moon on or after 21 March (an approximation of the March equinox). Determining this date in advance requires a correlation between the lunar months and the solar year, while also accounting for the month, date, and weekday of the calendar. The Catholic church wished to eliminate dependencies on the Hebrew calendar, by deriving Easter directly from the vernal equinox.

    What is a Paschal Full Moon? https://www.farmersalmanac.com/what-is-a-paschal-full-moon-12039
    Add to this list the Paschal Full Moon. Simply speaking, the Paschal Full Moon is the first full Moon after the Spring Equinox. Also called the Egg Moon, this Moon sometimes occurs in March and sometimes in April.

    The word Paschal means “Passover” in Greek (a transliteration of the Hebrew word pesach). This Moon is significant because it is used to determine what date Easter will fall on each year. This is why Easter is a movable holiday, occurring anywhere from late March to late April.

    Just to make things more complicated, the date of the Paschal Full Moon may not always coincide with the actual full Moon. In fact, it can differ by as much as two days. That’s because, rather than being tied to an actual astronomical event, ecclesiastical authorities during the middle ages decided that the Paschal Full Moon would fall on the 14th day of the lunar month beginning after the Spring Equinox, known as Nissan in the Hebrew Calendar. That day roughly corresponds with the time of the full Moon, and the two overlap more often than not.

    Feast of St. John the Baptist and Summer Solstice (7/24/2017)
    http://stalphonsachurch.org/feast-of-st-john-the-baptist-and-summer-solstice/

    Mary the Morning Star (9/8/2018)
    http://thecatholictalks.com/articles_post.asp?id=38

    There are over 100 astrological references in the Bible.

    The evidence for Aries the Ram as the astrological sign of Judea
    http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2003JHA….34..325M

    Carl Jung on Christ and The Sign of The Fishes “Pisces”
    https://carljungdepthpsychologysite.blog/2019/11/21/carl-jung-on-christ-and-the-sign-of-the-fishes-pisces/#.XvY8fedKh24

    100 Bible Verses about Astrology
    https://www.openbible.info/topics/astrology

    The Star of Bethlehem
    https://theastrologypodcast.com/2015/12/21/the-star-of-bethlehem/

    United States Conference of Catholic Bishops – Mathew, Chapter 2
    http://www.usccb.org/bible/matthew/2
    Matthew 2:7
    Then Herod called the magi secretly and ascertained from them the time of the star’s appearance.
    Matthew 2:8
    He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search diligently for the child. When you have found him, bring me word, that I too may go and do him homage.”
    Matthew 2:9
    After their audience with the king they set out. And behold, the star that they had seen at its rising preceded them, until it came and stopped over the place where the child was.
    Matthew 2:10
    They were overjoyed at seeing the star,
    Matthew 2:11
    * c and on entering the house they saw the child with Mary his mother. They prostrated themselves and did him homage. Then they opened their treasures and offered him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

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