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I have questions about “minor” words spoken at Mass, by the celebrant and the faithful in the pews.
When the Nicene Creed was “changed” in 2011, we were told by our priests of the reasons for the changes, and that our Missals at Church after January, 2011 would have the “new” version of the Nicene Crede.
We were told that aside from using the actual Apostles’ Creed in its place, we could not use other words.
Similarly, the “Lord I am not worthy…” that we all said before Communion was changed a bit too, the previous year (and the priest’s words as he elevated the Host and Precious Blood spoken before our “”new” response as mentioned above.
Lastly, our response to “May the Lord be with you,” became, “and with your spirit.”
And…oh yeah…the “Lamb’s Supper” replaced “the Supper of the Lamb,” recited by the priest
There were other changes, I’m sure, but these come to mind (and I’m not sure off the dates when we began using the “newer” wording) …
SO…my question is, if we were told (I have NO issues with changes such as this…I’m a layman and I trust the Church leaders and scholars to keep us “in line” with what we should be saying) … we practiced with the priest at Mass, reading the “new” Creed, etc, etc and were reminded when we’d start using the “new” wording, that it had to be exactly THAT way because it was an approved/mandated change…ALRIGHT. Then, can y’all tell me, WHY, when we sing the Gloria, do we not sing the words AS written from start to finish (as we do for the Creed, etc). Our parish has to sing that awful Schutte version of the Gloria that has a cantor in the choir sing, “Glory to God in the highest, and peace to people of good will,” and he/she raises their arms (to me that’s silly, anyway, but that’s another topic of discussion) and we repeat those words to them, then the cantor sings the next few lines, then every phrase, he/she’ll raise their arms and we sing “Glory in the Highest” after then again. Then they sing “Glory to God,” and we have to repeat it … wash, rinse and repeat till its over and some of us wonder…if we had to use the exact, correct, precise words in the Creed, and the priest in the Consecration, etc… then it seems to me like our “Gloria” is a kind of “innovation” in that the “Gloria” has become an almost “Muppet Song” with us being the “Muppet Chorus.” It prolongs the Mass. Then when we’re traveling, a Catholic Church in another city in Texas or State in the US (we don’t travel internationally AT ALL!) do a “different” wording for the Gloria with the many “sing-song” versions. It’s like something out of a Nursery School or Sesame Street sing-along.
Am I wrong in saying that these “neo-Gloria” songs are “innovation” and should not to be used?
Thank you.
Tom Griffith